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	<title>Comments on: Subversion Politics</title>
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		<title>By: S Simon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>S Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public and that would help nothing&quot;

Sure it would.  If the project is suffering from what you state, then how could it help to not fix it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public and that would help nothing&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it would.  If the project is suffering from what you state, then how could it help to not fix it?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Schultz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just push the &quot;fork&quot; button! Oh wait.... ;)

Honestly I used subversion for a very long time! However after using it for a long period of time and having to deal with supporting servers that didn&#039;t update their repositories to include subversion versions newer than 1.1...I switched mainly to mercurial. If subversion had improved at a quicker pace and had equivalent capabilities as mercurial then I may have stayed with it.  One thing that I doubt will change that I really enjoy with mercurial is it&#039;s distributed nature. I doubt that subversion will head in that direction though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just push the &#8220;fork&#8221; button! Oh wait&#8230;. <img src='http://blogs.wandisco.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Honestly I used subversion for a very long time! However after using it for a long period of time and having to deal with supporting servers that didn&#8217;t update their repositories to include subversion versions newer than 1.1&#8230;I switched mainly to mercurial. If subversion had improved at a quicker pace and had equivalent capabilities as mercurial then I may have stayed with it.  One thing that I doubt will change that I really enjoy with mercurial is it&#8217;s distributed nature. I doubt that subversion will head in that direction though.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1364</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 13:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so you&#039;re a CEO and thus not used to actually doing stuff ( :) ) but here&#039;s an option for you and your guys - do something. Go ahead and implement the obliterate functionality everyone has wanted for ages. Once you&#039;ve done that, move on to do something else.

Agree that you&#039;ll look into doing it, agree with the rest of the core team that your design and approach is a good one and then deliver the code. No-one is going to argue about that, and it doesn&#039;t require any number of press releases (though you can happily say how you&#039;re enhancing/contributing all you like *after* you&#039;ve done that).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so you&#8217;re a CEO and thus not used to actually doing stuff ( <img src='http://blogs.wandisco.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) but here&#8217;s an option for you and your guys &#8211; do something. Go ahead and implement the obliterate functionality everyone has wanted for ages. Once you&#8217;ve done that, move on to do something else.</p>
<p>Agree that you&#8217;ll look into doing it, agree with the rest of the core team that your design and approach is a good one and then deliver the code. No-one is going to argue about that, and it doesn&#8217;t require any number of press releases (though you can happily say how you&#8217;re enhancing/contributing all you like *after* you&#8217;ve done that).</p>
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		<title>By: Paulo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who should I believe in: cherry picked positive responses from end users or criticism from the people who actually created Subversion and from the Apache Software Foundation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who should I believe in: cherry picked positive responses from end users or criticism from the people who actually created Subversion and from the Apache Software Foundation?</p>
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		<title>By: J. S. Doe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>J. S. Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This exchange has recently attained a much wider audience. For many their first encounter with WANdisco is this.

So, ladies and gentlegeeks, please follow the &quot;About WANdisco&quot; link towards the top of the sidebar, scroll down to the products section and learn that Subversion does indeed form the core of their offerings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This exchange has recently attained a much wider audience. For many their first encounter with WANdisco is this.</p>
<p>So, ladies and gentlegeeks, please follow the &#8220;About WANdisco&#8221; link towards the top of the sidebar, scroll down to the products section and learn that Subversion does indeed form the core of their offerings.</p>
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		<title>By: Toggle</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Toggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ass covering at it&#039;s finest, you claim to have evidence, but then say it&#039;s best not to &quot;wash dirty laundry in public&quot; while the commit logs are entirely public already. If you had any evidence, it would already be public, your argument is circular and therefore a logical fallacy.

As for end users being on your side, that really makes no difference, it&#039;d be different if you had developers on your side. However, any developer reply I have seen has been critical of your press releases to say the least. To put it another way, people love TVs, and they like big, cheap TVs with a sharp picture. But the users of the TV rarely know the requirements to build, design or develop such a TV. So if you say you&#039;re going to make TVs that are sharper, bigger and cheaper than any others, of course you&#039;ll receive enthusiasm. The sad fact is however, that most end users never have and never will participate in the development process. So their support is essentially hallow, as are your press releases.

Lastly the wording you chose in the press releases were divisive to those in the development community and intentionally misleading to those who are unfamiliar with the internals of the project (end users).

You did a great discredit to your company and to the open source community as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ass covering at it&#8217;s finest, you claim to have evidence, but then say it&#8217;s best not to &#8220;wash dirty laundry in public&#8221; while the commit logs are entirely public already. If you had any evidence, it would already be public, your argument is circular and therefore a logical fallacy.</p>
<p>As for end users being on your side, that really makes no difference, it&#8217;d be different if you had developers on your side. However, any developer reply I have seen has been critical of your press releases to say the least. To put it another way, people love TVs, and they like big, cheap TVs with a sharp picture. But the users of the TV rarely know the requirements to build, design or develop such a TV. So if you say you&#8217;re going to make TVs that are sharper, bigger and cheaper than any others, of course you&#8217;ll receive enthusiasm. The sad fact is however, that most end users never have and never will participate in the development process. So their support is essentially hallow, as are your press releases.</p>
<p>Lastly the wording you chose in the press releases were divisive to those in the development community and intentionally misleading to those who are unfamiliar with the internals of the project (end users).</p>
<p>You did a great discredit to your company and to the open source community as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Herbison</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>B.J. Herbison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Interestingly most of the approval for our announcements is from Subversion end-users…&quot;

No, it&#039;s obvious. When you offer more features and complain about the developers the end users will like the features and the developers will get offended.

&quot;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public and that would help nothing&quot;

Then what was the purpose of the original statement? Making claims you will not back up does not leave a good impression of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interestingly most of the approval for our announcements is from Subversion end-users…&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s obvious. When you offer more features and complain about the developers the end users will like the features and the developers will get offended.</p>
<p>&#8220;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public and that would help nothing&#8221;</p>
<p>Then what was the purpose of the original statement? Making claims you will not back up does not leave a good impression of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Svempa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>Svempa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public&quot;

Come on, do it. Otherwise, it just seems as if you are making things up.

And just out of curiosity, who, more specifically, is counting commit stats anyway?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For me to substantiate this would require washing dirty laundry in public&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on, do it. Otherwise, it just seems as if you are making things up.</p>
<p>And just out of curiosity, who, more specifically, is counting commit stats anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Subversion Politics</title>
		<link>http://blogs.wandisco.com/2011/01/04/110/#comment-1346</link>
		<dc:creator>Subversion Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Community and then Committing to do the Work] unfortunately polarized the Subversion community.... [full post]    David Richards     WANdisco INC Blog   subversionben collins-sussmanopensource            0      [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Community and then Committing to do the Work] unfortunately polarized the Subversion community&#8230;. [full post]    David Richards     WANdisco INC Blog   subversionben collins-sussmanopensource            0      [...]</p>
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